In a recent post I distinguished numerous times between moral and non-moral values and between different sorts of intrinsic and instrumental goods. James Gray asks for clarifications about how I use these terms:
First, I don’t know that it matters to call something a “moral value.” Of course, there are instrumental values concerning morally neutral goals. Are you saying that intrinsic values are moral but instrumental ones aren’t?
My point is whether we can understand intrinsic value in non-”intrinsic value” terms.
Second, you said “Such analyses are not reductionistic and they do not try to assess the good in “non-good” terms. They do purport to assess moral values in non-moral terms.” I don’t know what any of this means, perhaps because it’s not clear to me how moral values differ from nonmoral values. Some examples might help.
What I am saying is that both intrinsic and instrumental values exist all throughout nature without making any reference to human moral interests to derive either their intrinsic or their instrumental value. Intrinsic value simply means intrinsic effectiveness. This means whatever is a thing’s characteristic effective activity that either makes it, or contributes to it being, the kind of thing it is.
On the level of humans we have both moral and non-moral intrinsic values and both moral and non-moral instrumental values. Non-moral intrinsic goods for humans include aesthetic goods, goods of physical power, goods of artistic and technological creative powers, goods of sexual power, goods of intellectual power, etc. All our functional powerful excellences which are intrinsically good to being human but which can be at times be exercised independently of advancing narrowly moral concerns, is a “non-moral” intrinsic value.
Largely influenced by Jonathan Haidt but with my own additions, I take distinctively morally intrinsic values to be our interests in fairness and equality, our interests in harm avoidance and mutual care for each other, our interests in purity and sanctity, our interests in in-group loyalty, our interest in respect for hierarchicalism, our interests in actions which are highly formally consistent/universalizable, our interests in deferring dutifully to order and principle even at the cost to our own immediate personal well-being or interests when required.
These sorts of interests are subjectively experienced as highly valuable to us to some degree or another. And to one degree or another each of these value priorities is objectively defensible in at least some contexts and in at least some concrete forms. These are what I mean by characteristically “moral” values, which are contrastable with all other interest priorities.
Intimately connected to these moral priorities are a slew of distinctively moral virtues, which I identify as such by their general or (expectedly general) contribution to the realization of these moral priorities. Insofar as overall human flourishing is maximized when we thrive functioning in all our potential excellences, fulfilling these moral potentials contributes to our intrinsic flourishing as excellent humans.
This flourishing is not only intrinsically good as exercise of characteristic human excellences, but it is also instrumentally good insofar as it serves moral value priorities which genuinely advance the material, social, economic, political, spiritual, intellectual, and other cultural conditions of our well-being and thriving.
Ultimately, specific instances of morally driven priorities are either justified or proven mistakenly applied or overemphasized by consideration of whether or to what extent they lead to our overall flourishing. This overall flourishing is the ultimate ethical priority, which I distinguish from narrower, more characteristically “moral” priorities.
In this way moral goals are ultimately instrumental goods which must be defined and justified by their overall contribution to overall flourishing, more well-rounded, ethical human lives. But insofar as pursuing a moral goal itself gives opportunity to fulfill a fundamental human excellence and contribute to our overall maximization of our powerful functioning, it is an occasion for us to be intrinsically good (i.e.,characteristically effective) humans through such exercise of our powers. In this way our morality helps us realize our humanity.
Now, with all of this context, when I say that we should assess moral values by non-moral values, I mean we should assess whether or to what extent moral priorities (or particular interpretations of them) and cultivation of specifically moral excellences ultimately contributes to or hinders in specific cases the development of general human flourishing in intellect, aesthetics, artistic creation, technological creation, social order, knowledge, cultural vibrancy, sexual fulfillment, etc., etc. These goods are not necessary identical with moral priorities and I think their maximization trumps the pursuit of morality taken as an end in itself.
Ultimately, though our minds tempt us quite naturally and understandably to take the moral priorities as ends in themselves, and even though it is usually better to treat them as such for maximum effectiveness, nonetheless our ultimate good is not morality itself but overall human flourishing. And so in cases where moralities (or particular concrete interpretations of it) conflict with that goal on net, it is just so much the worse for moral priorities.
This also goes for cases where we can have net growth in overall flourishing by growing more in non-moral excellences but only at the trade off of some specifically moral interest priorities or specifically moral excellences. Ultimately overall human flourishing has greater intrinsic value than either morality or specifically moral virtues for their own sakes.
Finally, as to your question of whether we can understand intrinsic value in “non-intrinsic” value terms, I would say that ultimately the most basic value, effectiveness, is a form of intrinsic value and larger intrinsic values are of this basic sort, so there is not an intrinsic value coming from what is merely of instrumental value.
The posts where I previously worked the moral vs. non-moral values questions out most extensively were Towards A “Non-Moral” Standard Of Ethical Evaluation and Further Towards A “Non-Moral” Standard Of Ethical Evaluation.
Your Thoughts?
The considerations spelled out in the above post should offer a greater context and justification for the ideas in the following, roughly logically ordered, posts. Several posts below have been written in response to this one and others were written earlier:
Goodness Is A Factual Matter (Goodness=Effectiveness)
Grounding Objective Value Independent Of Human Interests And Moralities
Non-Reductionistic Analysis Of Values Into Facts
Effectiveness Is The Primary Goal In Itself, Not Merely A Means
What Is Happiness And Why Is It Good?
On The Intrinsic Connection Between Being And Goodness
Deriving An Atheistic, Naturalistic, Realist Account Of Morality
How Our Morality Realizes Our Humanity
Subjective Valuing And Objective Values
My Perspectivist, Teleological Account Of The Relative Values Of Pleasure And Pain
Pleasure And Pain As Intrinsic Instrumental Goods
What Does It Mean For Pleasure And Pain To Be “Intrinsically Instrumental” Goods?
Maximal Self-Realization In Self-Obliteration: The Existential Paradox of Heroic Self-Sacrifice
On Good And Evil For Non-Existent People
Rightful Pride: Identification With One’s Own Admirable Powers And Effects
The Harmony Of Humility And Pride
Moral Mutability, Not Subjective Morality. Moral Pluralism, Not Moral Relativism.
How Morality Can Change Through Objective Processes And In Objectively Defensible Ways




January 28, 2011 at 9:35 am
Daniel Fincke
Posted in
Tags:
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
[...] I do not equate the non-moral with the non-evaluative. There are many value judgments that have nothing to do with morality. These value judgments track real relationships of human-independent value. Value is a constitutive feature of reality (in the form of inherent relationships of effectiveness), whereas moralities are biologically and culturally evolved sets of specific value attitudes with certain varying degrees of objectively determinable objective worths. We can define “goodness” in indexical ways. I can point to the “how it feels” of pleasure. In particular, the positive feeling. There might be a similarity here in that it’s good for pleasure to exist just like that it’s good for human life to exist. [...]
We might need to do something about the fact that we are using the same word with vastly different definitions. If you have no way of saying that pain is intrinsically bad, then it is clear that we aren’t referring to the same thing. This is not just a matter of revisionism or different definitions of the same concept.
Let’s say that pleasure is intrinsically good and pain is intrinsically bad. That means some behavior leads to better consequences. Pleasure counts for a behavior but pain counts against it. This is the standard meaning of intrinsic value as can be seen on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy based on utilitarianism and so on. If something is intrinsically good, then it’s good “just for existing.”
One purpose of intrinsic value is to help explain why human behavior is rational and justified as found in Aristotle’s final ends. If there is no intrinsic value (final end), then the goals we have are fruitless and/or circular. You can get food to live and live to get food.
If life has intrinsic value, then getting food to live is enough justification to be a rational goal because the goal is for something truly good.
It’s rational to give someone with a headache an aspirin because avoiding pain is a final end, and it’s rational to eat candy because the pleasure it brings is a final end. These are things we understand as being “worthy” goals.
I personally think your use of the word is unconventional and should be changed, but I can call my “intrinsic values” “intrinsically valuable final ends” if that helps.
This sounds arbitrary to me. Morality is about what we ought to do, and we ought to do whatever promotes intrinsic value appropriately — even if that intrinsic value is what you call “nonmoral.”
You say that pleasure is intrinsically good insofar as it is what it is, and we are intrinsically good insofar as we are what we are. But none of that matters at all unless it’s good that we exist — unless human life is a final end. Pain itself is not a final end, but avoiding pain is.
One of the most important questions in morality is, “Why should I care?” or “Why does it matter?” I need to know why I should care about being an “excellent human being.” Does human life matter?
You are still lacking examples. I don’t see how what you are talking about relates to morality and everyday life.
[...] a reply to a recent post, James notes correctly that my definition of intrinsic, with respect to value, is non-standard. In [...]
[...] a recent post, I talked about the ways in which pleasure and pain were intrinsically good for us, in that they [...]
[...] Moral vs. Non-Moral Values [...]
Hindsight is 20/20